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First off, I appreciate you ladies for commenting about guys who watch OTH. I'm of the male species and all my ignorant friends constantly slam me for shamelessly admitting to watch this show. LOL.

Second, I am in complete agreement when it comes to the triangle. It is Lucas who deserves the most discredit for his actions. He is my most hated character in the show and I'm extremely sick and tired of his love life. It's his indecisiveness and his irresponsibility with his girls that just sends me off the roof. What I hate even more is about how much of a poser he is! I hate how everyone in Tree Hill still falls for his kind-hearted, heroic image that he is oh so fond of sporting, when clearly he is far from that in the inside. His whole character is simply frustrating.

Peyton and Brooke are great girls and I feel tremendous distaste about how they are getting ruined because of him. Because of that, I'm with you girls about how I ship neither Lucas/Peyton or Lucas/Brooke. Jake/Peyton is the way to go!

I don't get why it matters or why people are fighting on these comments. It doesn't matter if you have inside sources or if you believe that you are best friends with Mark Schwahn himself. Seasons 1-5 happened the way they happened and I for one, have enjoyed every minute of it. I don't understand "catering" or whatever garbage you guys are talking about, and I don't think I really care. As far as the fans are concerned the writers have put together one hell of a series and to bicker about reasons why certain things have happened is just plain ridiculous. Get over it and watch the show for what is there not what could have been there!

oh, one more thing, want talk about carting watch S5 and I know for a fact 110% Mark and the writers have been carting and it's also coming from the horse's mouth. and decides to leave NH fans hanging. What a load of crap S5 is for Naley fans because he has Lucas and his pathetic Love and stupid triangles of BL or LL or LP right up their butts and as a NH fan I feel disrespected. pffs.. Actually forget LP, I think their fans should be the most heated, and send Mark hate more for the kind of Season they got, SAD!!....

Like I said Are we in middle school. ALL I'm saying is that, I'm close to people on set and I've been there from S1-S5 even before production started for the series, and I know things half you don't even know. You can't tell me about sources. since I'm a source and my sister works on set. All I was saying is that S4 was not carting and I can bet that on my dead mom's grave if u want to get direct. SO either your sources gave you wrong info or your basing it on your opinion because that's what you think happened. What I'm trying to say how was it carting when the SL was set and planned from 321. I get your a BL fan which is fine and upset how S4 went and you think it was carting and whatnot. I can give rats ass about BL or LP or LL, I can't stand Lucas and really don't give a crap who he ends up w/ for all I know he can end up alone and miserable, because all the girls can do better. So like I said it is what it is and I guess we leave it as what you think and what I know.

No, we are not in middle school. But clearly people are very biased here. They defend people who follow the same couple as them instead of being reasonable. I just thought things were not right because LP/BL fans tell fans of "the other couple" to stop being mean or whatever, when the LP/BL fans are doing the same exact thing. Trying to tell people to be fair is not middle school behavior.

And I know there were alternate endings. There are alternate stories for most of the big episodes (3x16 for example had many alternate things happening).

And season 4 was catered. You can keep saying it wasn't all you want, and I can keep saying it all I want, and nobody is going to change what they know.

I have 3 sources on set, and they all tell me the same thing. So when a story is backed up by 3 different people that I know and trust, then I believe it. And then when it's backed up by others who also have sources, I tend to believe it more.

And now I'm done discussing or arguing with you. And I hope I didn't come off as a jerk.

Peace!

GAHHH I hate Lucas/Peyton. I recently jut re-watched my season one dvd's (last week) and I can't believe that there are actually LP fans out there.

It's obvious you guys hate Lucas but he gets better in season three.
*SQUINT.*

BL <3
Brooke is amazing.

why are we talking about CS and speculating on why Brucas happened. ~~~ rolls eyes!!! Who really cares why Brucas started the bottom line is they started and Mark is not a stupid man, Brucas has a huge fan base he is not going to ignore that. whether CS are couple or not, sorry.

I don't who you are, but you want it fair, then here it goes Maire stop attacking KJ. Happy it's two sided now. MG! what are we in middle school. LOL! Anyways also S4 was not catering sorry to say, but whoever gave you that info was wrong. S4 was planned ever since 320. I know that for a fact. There was even another ending to 322 in case the show was really cancel. On set they shot 3 different ends for S3, but they found out during 321 airing that it was coming back for S4, so there was no catering. yeah! So I guess it is what it is.

People aren't attacking Marie. They are disagreeing with her.

And if you want to tell people to "stop attacking Marie," then why didn't you tell Marie to "stop attacking KJ?"

Guess there's no neutrality. It's all one-sided.

And to the second person who wrote "To Marie," I too heard that season 4's writing was catering, and not totally how the story was envisioned by the writers. Early BL was mostly NOT because of CS. Late BL (or lack thereof) was mostly because of CS.

I don't where some of you people calming that CS weren't together in S1 are getting that from. Cause clearly me being on set during that time they were. So I would quit attacking Marie, because she's somewhat right. The WB were set on CS when they got together and want Mark to explore them more in S2. I think the girl is not talk about S1 she's talking more about S2 because the original plan wasn't for them to be together in S2. I think that's what she is say, and there are a lot of people that I know can back me up on that. That have people on the inside that would prove it. Mark always tells fans what they want. You always have to take a grain of salt w/ everything he tells you what you want to hear. Trust me on that. I've been around the show since S1 and know so much half you people don't even know. Things did change from S1 going into S2 and if people want to be blind about it go ahead and be. I could careless about Lucas and his pathetic love life. So I'm near a LP or BL or LL or whatever that has to do w/ Lucas and a Girl Cause I think he deserve to end up alone or go be with Dawson and the can live happily ever after together.

But I just saw all these comments going back and forth and thought I would come in here and help that poor girl out. Also for the person that said there wasn't and hint at LP or BL am there was, but I guess u just can't be see because your obsessed w/ your couple. Sorry to say I know otherwise.

To the commenter writing to Marie, Maybe They weren't written because CS were together but I think it was a big draw for the fans and in my opinion one of the main reasons why people love them so much. I know that is why I thought they were cute together. But I am an LP shipper and I kinda always have been even when I liked BL. And I like LP a lot because Chad and Hil are such great friends and work really well together. I think that kind of rapport makes scenes between two characters all the more fun to watch.

I just want to say that BL did not happen in s2 because of CS! And that is fact. I've talked to Mark personally about everything concerning BL and CS and his thoughts on it all. Like the other poster said, BL was planned way before CS even got together. You can go find an interview where Mark clearly states himself that the script when BL first was hinted was written even before CS got together in real life. But he never imagined that people would take to them like they did, just like he didn't imagine all the Peyton hate there was in the beginning of s1 so he had to make changes. He made Peyton a more likable character and made her friends with Haley and he saw that he had to consider BL as a real choice. I don't get where Leytoners say that s2 was out of no where. The end of s1 didn't hint at anything. LP or BL. BP were back as friends and Lucas was by himself. And for the beginning of s2 he is just friends with the both of them until he finally makes his choice. I don't understand how it comes out of no where. If you want something that comes out of no where please go watch 3.21 where Peyton has her dream/epiphany (even Hilarie said herself that she was like WTF when she got that script) and also watch the last couple of minutes of 4.09 where Lucas has his so called "moment of clarity" now those came out of no where.

And lets not forget in s3 when BL got together CS were separated. I can tell you with 110% certainty that that was what Mark wanted. That he wanted BL in s3 and he wasn't "catering" to anyone. However s4 wasn't necessarily what he wanted but and he was catering, and I'm not going to say anymore for the conversation I had with him was very private and I've probably said too much already. But I HATE when LPers use the excuse the BL only got together b/c of CS but then also say that the reason BL can't be together again is b/c of CS. Chad and Sophia are actors, it is their job and they were the ones who made the decision to get into a relationship, I'm sorry that it didn't work out but that should have no effect on the show. And after talking with Mark I know that it won't and that for s6 he will write what he wants. Just please stop using CS as an excuse for anything, b/c if they could be used then it would only be for s4.

I agree with the Lucas hate. The "squint" was funny, too. He positively took advantage of the emotional wreck Peyton was and he totally disregarded Brooke's feelings at the same time. As for the bed-etiquette, Peyton did turn her back on him in the bed at the beginning of the night. You made a good point about women blaming the other woman! We see this sooo much now, with all the stupid talk shows about guys cheating and the idiot girls are duking it out!!! I think the next ep is going to do nothing but fire up the Lucas hate for you guys!

Great podcast, I totally agree with you guys not taking exact sides and just blaming Lucas,
because its true I always have blamed him cause its true, he's responsible for causing this conflicted love triangle and he had the chance to handle it way better.

And of course, NALEY is amazing! My fav ship ever.

Great podcast!
I cant wait till the podcast of the next episode its a A WAY BETTER ONE!!!!

I totally just discovered the wonderful world of podcast and I'm really enjoying your podcasts.

I completely agree with the Peyton/Lucas/Brooke problem. I'm neither a Brucas or a Leyton (I'm a Naley fan through and through) just because I feel that both girls , although they have their faults, deserve so much better than this ass.

Lucas started out as the... I guess as the sweet nice guy and Nathan was the big bad bully but so far Nathan has been incredibly sweet to Haley (in all seasons I feel even in Season 5) and Lucas has been a jerk (although he's been better for the rest of the seasons). If you had to choose Nathan or Lucas which one should you choose?

I can't wait to hear more.

I don't know where you get off telling someone to get over something. There are some things you wrote about that anyone can easily tell you to "get over." For example, you're using the same broken record posting I've seen about BL... they were only written because CS were together and they had great chemistry, so Mark wanted to use that.

If anyone REALLY believes that Mark only wrote for BL because of Chad and Sophia, you have really talked yourself into something that's truly FALSE. Every show has a triangle, and BL was intended to happen from the start. In a conversation I once had with Mark with a couple of people (and he also says this in interviews), he said that BL was intended to be a distraction and drama from the very start. He just never realized how huge it would be and that it would divide the fanbase. So then, he had to consider them. They weren't just a distraction anymore. They were REAL. And this is why he took off with BL in seasons 2 and 3 (3, where CS were separated I might add, so it had NOTHING to do with them, again) and is hinting back that it's still possible in season 5.

WOW... there are too many comments to even read, so I'm just going to say my opinion.

First of all, great podcast on a great episode! Keep saying how you feel! It's YOUR podcast! You shouldn't have to please anyone.

Get used to feeling bad for Brooke. This time, I feel it was both Peyton and Lucas' fault. Later, it will usually be just Peyton in my opinion.

I personally tend to blame PEYTON more in this scenario. She insisted over and over that she didn't want Lucas from Brooke, but she went for it. And I know that it was stopped by Lucas, but ONLY by the necklace getting stuck, but what makes me blame Peyton even more is that Lucas said "Brooke," and Peyton said "what?!" almost like "Brooke who?"

As much as I hated Lucas at this point and wanted him to end up alone and Peyton to end up alone, I still want Brooke and Lucas to end up together. You will see why as you progress through the show, even if you do not agree with my and the BLers. I know you will at least see where we're coming from. You may even see where our decline in "Peyton love" comes from (it's not from here... this is only the start and not like in season 3 & 4). I like Peyton. Just not as much as if she didn't constantly mess with BL.

The dinner table and all that other storyline, I completely agree with you. I forgot how awful Royal was until I rewatched this episode.

I love that Nathan told Haley that SHE could make a difference. SO easy to ship Naley!

Can't wait for the next one!

So I totally get what you mean about the whole Leyton/Brucas thing. It is Lucas' fault. And yes in this episode you can't really hate peyton. Her dad almost died, and she still likes Lucas. Yes she didn't stop it from happening, but she did tell lucas it meant nothing.

HOWEVER, when you see/if you say the next episode. I have a hard time believing you won't be mad at Peyton. They kept going. They kept sneaking around behind Brooke's back, and that is where I draw the forgiveness line. Weather you actually sleep with him or not doesn't matter, especially because I believe Leyton would have slept together if Lucas' necklace hadn't gotten caught in Peyton's hair.(for all of you who have seen season 4 should get what I am talking about) You are sneaking around behind your best friend/girlfriend's back. It has gone from a HUGE mistake that never should have happened to a concise decision to pick a guy over your BEST friend. A friend that you have had for about ten years.

I loved this pod cast.
I agreed with you guys for the most part, I’ve hated Lucas from season 1 because he pretends to be a heartfelt guy who’s always helping people, but he’s really a selfish ass who is the most fickle person I’ve ever seen.
Although, I don’t think Lucas should take all of the blame, I think what Peyton’s doing right now is A LOT worse. She’s told Brooke so many times that she’s fine with Brooke’s relationship with Lucas, but then goes and kisses him. Has she forgotten that he’s her BESTFRIENDS boyfriend?
Peyton had her chance with Lucas, and she let it pass, so its really unfair of her to go after him now.

I do love the Lucas hate though.
BREYTON FTW. They’re the ultimate ship.

Can't wait until the next podcast.

Wow! I guess A LOT of people hate Peyton. I don't! I really truely believe that she made a mistake but that she deserves forgiveness because we all make mistakes. Brooke is not the most innnocent girl either. I have never really clung to the character of Brooke because of how slutty she was. I started to like her more when she changed and started learning to love herself. I know this comes out later on and is kind of irrelevant and I don't want to ruin anything for Jackie, Mia, and Sarah but the tape that comes out in season 4 really shows what kind of person Brooke used to be and I think Peyton haters should remember that and recognize that every character on this show has done things that they later regret. Even little sweet Haley hurt Nathan a lot in season 2. Brooke hurts Lucas in season 3 by doing the same thing to him that he did with Peyton. So, I really think everyone should drop all the hostility towards Peyton. But then again this is just my opinion.

i think that peyton is most definetly to blame first of all it takes two to tango secondly if you watched the episode it was peyton who went for lucas first!!!!! peyton obviously has no respect for her best friend and that is why i and a lot of the other brucasers cannot stand peyton...she is always looking for pity and people to feel sorry for her and when she needed it brooke was always the one to help her out....lucas on the other hand while im not defending him i think everyone should cut him some slack...he WAS the one to stop them from going any further than what they did because he thought about brooke.!!!]
Just keep watching to see what peyton does!!!! and LUCAS!!! i feel soooo bad for brooke and it breaks my heart to think of my best friend and my boyfriend ever doing anything like that!!!!!!

other than that naley=adorable!!!!!!

dans mothers name was may i think but anyway this podcast was great!! cant wait until you get later in the season!! there are some good episodes coming up!! Love the podcasts!!!

Marie, no I will not get over it.

Do you have a lot of friends like Peyton? you seem to think she did nothing wrong in S1. I really wonder how some people think, no wonder why the world looks like it does. How can Peyton be blameless?! It's not like she was a random girl Lucas just picked to make out with. She was Brooke'sbest friend and knew exacly what Brooke was feeing for Lucas. L and P are both to blame in S1 obviously but I do feel like a best friend should never ever betray a trust like Peyton did, it stings even worse in my eyes.

I guess some dn't care if their best friends go and kiss their boyfriend *eyeroll*

I agreed with pretty much everything you guys were saying. I do think that Peyton has to take some blame for what happened between her and Lucas. Can't put all the blame on Lucas!! It takes 2 to tango.
And boy where they!!! Even if you don't agree with what happened, you can't deny that was a steamy scene!!
I lean more towards Leyton than Brucas but don't particularly care which one Lucas ends up with as long as they are all happy. Anyway, I digress....
The Scott family dinner is very intense. I think the reason Nathan asked Haley to be there was for moral support. Royal is a ROYAL pain in the ars and I think Nathan knew things were gonna get brought up and probably needed to lean on Haley for a bit.

I can't wait for you guys to see the next few episodes. Things are gonna get good and heated!!!

I know I am in the minority, but I love Lucas. He's a naive kid in the first season, getting far too much than he can handle and not handling it well. He is certainly not innocent of everything he did wrong, but he is a good kid at heart. He is learning, it just sucks that Brooke (and Peyton, even though she brought a lot of this on herself) has to suffer because of it.

Despite how annoying I find Peyton/Lucas right now, by the end, I totally love them together. I like how the characters change and grow on the show just like real life. Keep watching, you are in for a roller coaster=)

Just listened to the podcast and I 100% agree with you that Luxas is to blame, even though I'm a Leytoner I've always like Brooke aswell and thought that Lucas play's the both of them. And they'll be even more drama as the season goes on.

Also, I loved all of the scenes involving the Scott family. And I just loved it when Deb tells Royal to back off I just love her, and the scene with her and Dan when she says "The truth in this house" that just really summed up the dynamics of that family.

If you didn't like this episode then you'll love the next 2 firstly Karen's back and it is just full of even more drana.

Lol. This was entertaining. I totally agree with you guys. The Scott family is messed up and so is Lucas. I mean he is a Scott. The dinner scenes were so funny and entertaining. Dan is such a hypocrite. This episode was a shocker when i first saw it because of the way Lucas and Peyton betrayed Brooke. I can't stand Lucas either and agree with you guys because I don't see why they like Lucas either. lol. He is playing them and he was doing sort of the same thing in season 5. I mean he needs to pick someone to be with and be with them. Stop stringing these girls along. Sarah you are right, they should have called Brooke. They need to learn that proper etiquette for bed sharing. That whole part was funny with testing to see if a person you are sharing a bed with likes you. WHATEVER!(Sarah) lol. "No Peyton hate, no Brooke hate, just Lucas hate." I like it. lol. Naley is the cutest but Peyton and Brooke can do better than Lucas. Can't wait for more podcasts.

This episode I really don't like, I swear every time I see that LP hotel scene it gives me pains in my stomach LOL. I'm a huge fan of brooke, and seeing that makes me feel so bad for her. I kind of disagree with you guys about putting the blame on lucas. I feel it’s ok not to blame the other woman when she doesn't know about your relationship. but Peyton KNOWS!!!! and to make it worse she's the BFF. yes she's in a vulnerable state but that shouldn't impair her judgment, especially when she knows how much her BF cares for him. Now I do blame both of them, but you also have to look at who made the first move (peyton) and who stopped it (Lucas). I see there's going to be a lot more lucas hate in the future ha ha. can't wait for your next podcast.

great podcast like always

I totally agree with you; Lucas SUCKS! I hate him even more in season five. I love both Peyton and Brooke and I think they deserve guys that appreciate them and don't make them pathetic (as Peyton became in season five and Brooke has been at other times).
I can't wait for season five, as well as your commentary on seasons two and three. I am praying for a Jake return in Season six!

CCIPC is one of my all time favorite episodes.

Lucas and Peyton are both pretty much equally to blame if you ask me. Lucas didn't have a long past with Brooke, but he was her boyfriend, so he had an obligation to be faithful to Brooke as well. Yeah, what they did was pretty crappy, but they were kids and dealing with feelings they themselves didn't even understand. And they handled it badly. However, I will never understand the Peyton hate. It's not like she killed a puppy.

I don't see how Lucas is only to blame. If Peyton was just some random girl and not Brooke's bff then it would be just Lucas's fault but Peyton was Brooke's bff and if you ask me she is more to blame. I'd rather be screwed over by a boyfriend than my best friend. At least Lucas is the one who stopped it.

well I'm a guy and I love One Tree Hill eventhough my brother, cousin, dad and my friends say that it's crap. I just tell them to shut up because they can't exactly comment on it if they haven't even seen one episode.

As some of you know by now that I am a Brucas fan and this episode I didn't like just because Lucas and Peyton were sneaking behind Brooke's back which btw is so wrong. Sarah I'm pretty sure that Dan and Keith's mum is called May. But I agree with you guys that this kinda is Lucas' fault for getting in this situation

Well I was soo excited for you girls to see this episode cause lets just say that this is def. where the sh*t hit the fan. I think Mia said that this episode is one that I guess had people choosing Brucas or Leyton, and that is true but not. For me I was a Lucas fan in the beginning of the show so consiquently at the very beginning I was a Leyton fan and then when he hooked up with Brooke I guess I became Brucas, ultimately I just wanted Lucas to be happy. But this episode made me a Brooke fan and a non Leyton fan. I can't support cheating. This starts Lucas' downward spiral for the rest of the season. I agree that I def. blame Lucas sooo much but I don't agree with not really blaming Peyton. I can see how you may say that in a cheating scenario the other woman isn't that much to blame as much as the guy however I think this scenario is ALOT different considering the other woman is BESTFRIEDNS with the girlfriend.I think that changes alot of things. Personally for me it would hurt and suck to be cheated on but to have the woman that your bf cheated on you with be your best friend, well that is just the ultimate betrayal. These are the two people that Brooke trusts most in the world, I personally think that Lucas and Peyton are equally to blame. I think that the next episode may have you put more blame on Peyton. But like I said at this point I just became a total Brooke fan and I stopped being a Brucas and Leyton fan. I just wanted what was best for Brooke. It wasn't until s2 when I became a true full on Brucas fan. And hopefully you will see why.

As for the other half of this episode, that dinner was amazing entertainment. We totally got to see what made Dan the way he is. And I love that we get to see this season (s5) how Nathan has not become that.

Things have started to get really interesting and next episode is good, especially the last couple minutes, which will have you holding your breath, or not? haha

I love your podcasts, can't wait to hear the next one!

also I have another to add.

When Lucas Cheated on Brooke with her best friend Peyton, Brooke was pretty much on her own.

She had no one else to turn to.

Remember at the time Brooke wasn't close to Haley or Mouth.

So Peyton's betrayal pretty much Isolated Brooke and left her all alone.
Imagine your best friend doing that to you.
Your Best friend who knew full well that you have no one else to turn to during a crisis like this. Brooke doesnt have a Dad like Peyton whom she can talk to or a mom like Lucas that she can cry on.

That's why I think that If I were Brooke, I would never be able to forgive the people who would do that to her.

She didn't just lose a boyfriend, she lost a best friend.
Because Boyfriends come and go but it is hard to find true friends.
That to me is the bigger betrayal.

I really enjoy this podcast and have to say agree with everything you guys said and I think only BL FANS will disagree w/ you guys on the whole Blame thing, But others don't really care and you guys can have your opinions and it's great. I also like that fact that you guys are not getting into this whole LP/BL thing. Hope you don't get sucked into it, Even though I doubt you guys will even, because it seems you guys hate Lucas and his having his cake and eating it too. But BLers seem to think you guys will turn into BL fans if or when you watch S2. Please! roll_eyes! Anyways. It does get interesting in 13-15 and Season finale ends somewhat right, but gets screwed up the following season.

oh, can I just say, Please, Please DO NOT podcast for S2 because it will just drive you crazy, you think S1 was nuts Season 2 and first half of S3 will make you go into retirement or make you want to pull your hair out. That season (S2) has to be the worst season ever of OTH. The way the show went completely Left Flied is mind bottling. How NH got screwed and LP were treated like they didn't even know each other or even had relationship history. Don't even start on JP, that came out of no where it's was like lets give Peyton something to do since she seems to not know who Lucas is. **roll_eyes** That sl came out of someones butt. lol!

So can't wait for the next one!

LOL!! I was sooo right! I did enjoy this podcast. And I'm totally in agreeance with the whole hate Lucas. Lucas pisses me off sooooo much and I really have no idea why Peyton or Brooke fans want them to be with him. Lucas has changed the least from season one to season five. I will add though that Mia, when you mentioned that you think Lucas is smart enough to know what if what he's doing is wrong, I was totally thinking that you gave him WAY too much credit. I don't think Lucas had any idea that he was doing something wrong until the necklace Brooke gave him popped up or until he did the deed with Peyton. He was stringing along both girls and he didn't even know it.

The bed etiquette was great. Something I will definitely use in the future I think. More than I can say about hydrocarbons or logarithms.

Another thing I'm gonna say is that, like the show, you guys are very Lucas centric. I know the story is very Lucas heavy (and sadly will continue to be, the next episode is a prime example) but couldn't you ladies at least dedicate half a minute to Nathan and half a minute to Haley. Maybe it's just me but I feel that Naley's getting a little neglected even if you did gush about Nathan for 10 seconds. Even if it's just to comment about one of their comments. Like my favourite line from that episode had to be Haley's when she said Nathan had great knees. Or when Nathan knew Haley's "look" even if he wasn't supposed to yet. I know Naley's perfect right now but what's wrong with enjoying perfection while it lasts. Not like it's gonna last for too long right?

Anyway .. enough from me. Countdown to THE BOY TOY EPISODE ... 6!! Can't wait for the next one!

Interesting podcast...I definitely agree with you on the Lucas hate. I never understood how Peyton got all the hate on this matter when basically it was both their fault and he was the one in the relationship and doing the cheating, especially considering the following episodes where we have Lucas almost pressuring Peyton.
Personally I like both Brooke and Peyton a lot and could care less about Lucas, it's a mystery to me how anyone from this point on would want Brooke with Lucas after this episode and the cheating incident. I think that with Lucas Brooke is just an insecure copy of her her former self ful of energy and spirit.

The madness definately begins and the wars will continue to the end of the series.

I do blame Lucas for what happened on the little road trip with Peyton. But Peyton is to blame as well. She didn't try to stop him. What stopped them? The necklace Brooke gave to Lucas. If he didn't have that around his neck, would they have stopped?? Don't think so.

What happens in the coming episodes will add more heat to the flames. It's gonna get very sticky between BL/LP.

This is the beginning of a long battle that will probably continue throughout the rest of the series and maybe even after. I have to say that I have almost no problems with what you said. It's probably because the first time around watching I felt pretty much the same way. My problem with Peyton comes in S3 actually.

I do however now feel like(probably since now I'm hard core BL) Peyton was Brooke's BEST friend and just as wrong as Lucas. Probably in some ways more wrong since I think sometimes a friend's alliegance is more important then a boyfriend's alliegance. I mean, they weren't together that long. Peyton was screwing up a 9 year friendship. And she does it more than once. And I can never be a BP supporter for that reason.

And Lucas wasn't playing Peyton. She knew he was in a relationship. So that can't be considered playing. He was in no way being dishonest with her. He has NEVER been dishonest with Peyton.

You want Lucas to make a qualified choice. But really he doesn't know either girl right now enough to choose. I'm not saying that he should be with both. I think maybe at that point he should have been with neither. But you'll see him make a choice. If you watch S2, he makes a choice. And it's a qualified choice. Since he knows both girls by then. And it's Brooke. And no one tells him who to choose. He just does. But I'm sure you'll see that when you watch.

I really don't think you can make a choice in the Brucas/Leyton debate until late S2. So I can't wait to hear what you have to say then. Because I don't think that anyone who watches without a hatred of Brooke can choose anything but Brucas after S2- on.

But anyway.. I usually don't comment but I'm always listening and I think you girls are doing a great job! :)

I'm really happy you decided to go back and watch. You are really gonna understand some of the storylines in S5 that you couldn't understand.

I'm sorry but If I were Brooke I would be especially enraged at Peyton because she was supposed to be her BESTFRIEND!!

She was not only betrayed by her Boyfriend but her Best Friend as well.

I don't know how any SANE Person would be able to forgive their supposed "best friend" after such a betrayal.

Your Best Friend is the one who's supposed to have your back when your Boyfriend is being an Ass or when they cheat on you.
But to find out that it's your BEST FRIEND that your Boyfriend cheats with????

That is ULTIMATE BETRAYAL.

It would be one thing if your Boyfriend cheats on someoone you know, then yes get MAD at your Boyfriend
but it's HER BEST FRIEND!!!

PEYTON is supposed to be Her BEST FRIEND!

That's supposed to mean something right?

KJ get over it.

Love the Podcast girls, even thou I agree Lucas was the blame in all of, but the show went a complete 180 S2 which is the reason I hate BL and will never, never, never, never EVER like. Mark just catered to the network because they wanted to CS and whatnot for Ratings, and completely messed up the show (hence why S2 is the worst season ever and most hated) and how S1 ended didn't fit with the way S2 went, And they tried to redeem themselves in S3 second half of the season, w/ the hints they kept on dropping from left to right. Whatever!

Anyways, love this podcast and ITA! w/e you guys said, and don't blame u on the Lucas front.

Also that's why I love BP in season 5 and from what I know Mark is not going to mess them up and couldn't be more happy. Their friendship in S5 was amazing and needs to stay that way.

Trust me guys I know plenty of guys who love the show if not for basketball they love the ladies LOL. Haley so told Nate that to see the Scott family drama LMAO and aww no BP hate but my poor Lucas is so not feeling the love at the moment LOL I so wished they had Royal around more Keith always had Dan's back since they were children. I think Dan's personality is what sort of ruined it for them really. Lucas is a wimp to make his decisions I dont think Lucas is playing both girls but Lucas is just scared or what ever. the bed etiquette thing was hilarious lol But guys remember this is a show Mark just needed LP to go at it LMAO

Lucas is the one to blame agreed! Loved the podcast keep 'em coming!

I had some audio problems with this podcast, the sound kept going off for a few seconds here and there throughout it. Could be my computer acting up. It was kinda hard to listen to everything because of that but I have one thing I really need to comment on that I heard you guys say how you do NOT blame Peyton and how you shouldn't blame the other woman or something like that.

But I think you are forgetting something very IMPORTANT, Peyton isn't just a stranger that Brooke's boyfriend cheated together with, it's her BEST FRIEND and now that is something completely else than having your boyfriend and some stranger hooking up that might not even know that the guy is actually taken. In that situation of course all the blame is on the guy who cheated. And yes Brooke should obviously feel hurt, sad, betrayed and angry and Lucas but she is sure as hell gonna feel the same if not even more about Peyton her best friend doing something like that.

I'm gonna use a Brooke quote and you'll see how I see it and also how Brooke sees it.

Brooke to Peyton in a later episode: "....You know, with Lucas I can understand what happened. Especially given what he’s probably up to tonight. He’s a guy right? Guy’s screw you over. But you and I were best friends and I thought that was supposed to mean something. "

If I had a best friend like Peyton I would NEVER EVER speak to her in my entire life again. Brooke definitely has a more forgiving heart than I do.

What Lucas did is awful and he was a complete jerk in S1 but what Peyton did in a way I think is even worse. I just can't believe a best friend would ever do something like that.

Lucas really does redeem himself later (see S2 and S3). I hate cheating and it should never happen. Even though Lucas had not fallen in love with Brooke in S1 it's plain wrong and disgusting and so humilating for the other person. It took a long time until I could like Luke after what he did in S1... now Peyton she has crossed the line for me for good and I will never support the BP friendship.

Just listened to the podcast and wow I have to say I am surprised. I actually find myself agreeing with you guys. Good to hear no Peyton hate or Brooke hate just Lucas hate (poor lucas lol). Btw love your bed etiquette tips lol that make me laugh especially if they are on their stomach or fetus position then leave them alone lmao. Best podcast so far.

Ditto Sara, welcome to the madness LOL!

lol not listened to the podcast as yet but welcome to the start of all LP/BL debates. Am off to listen to your podcast.