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Brucas = endgame. The reason i still believe in true love.

Hey Girls,

just wanted to let you know that I LOVE ur potcasts and that I'm checking out the side for new ones' on a regular (daily) basis...
... and i'm happy that Peyton seems to finally getting over Lucas!!! Like she said, part of her loves Lucas, part of her the idea of what could have been...
they really should give her a new love interest...

Yay OMG Brucas. I just hope that this is a sign of things to come. But I totally agree with you guys I thoughts Skills was awesome in this episode and like you said he took it to heart he missed Jamie and wanted to spend more time with him. And Jackie I'm with you on the whole Dan situation I'm torn between him lying about it just to see Jamie or it could actually be true, I mean seriously they can't kill Dan Scott. lol

um okay so i laughed sooo hard when yall were tlking about the clown!! rotfl!! too funny!! but i felt bed 4 haley b/c she is scared of them! :c
um okay, BRUCAS!!! yayayyayayayayay!!! i lk them even just as friends like we saw in this last episode! but i do knda think mark is just doing it to calm brucas fans down, b/c we do have a little more than half of the shippers (brucas vs. leyton) so i think he kinda had to do it.
as for dan... i really think the old man is gonna die... i think that may b part of the reason they let him out of jail early er w/e... but ifeel lk im the olny one who is worried about lucas b/c dan really isnt that old and they kinda have the same heart problem!!!! hello!?!?!?
oh! and the whole does peyton just love the idea of her and lucas!!! YES!! finally that got out there!! i honestly think that's the case w/ her! and i hope she can grow up and move on... if they are destined to be together then they'll happen no matter what, she shouldnt have to push it...
anywho! i thought over all the episode was GREAT! and yall's podcast was really good as well!!

xoxo
-manda

I am so sick of all of this BL LP stuff. It was entertaining in the first 3 seasons, but now its just so annoying. Can't they come up with any other storylines? Why do couples have to be seperated to have drama? Can't they be together and deal with couple drama? I've never been strongly LP or BL. I think they both have their good and bad sides, and I am interested to see how it all ends. I am just so sick of seeing the same storylines.

Honestly I think BL as a romance is done. I think that scene was just a bone for the BL fans from Mark. I feel like he just wants to please everyone, which will never happen. I understand he wants to keep all of the fans but it shouldnt be at the expense of good stories.

If BL happened now, it would cause so much drama, but it would be impossible to repair the BP friendship. Jackie I think you're the only that has seen s4 so you might remember when Brooke said "triangles are so highschool," but I guess they changed their minds. I loved the scenes at the end and their other friendship scenes, but that's all I want to see.

Basically I think they're gonna keep going in circles with these 2 couples to keep the viewers, but in the end it'll be LP.

Moving on... I didnt think the BL stuff at the end was the biggest part of the episode. For me the biggest part of the episode was Dan's revelation. I started watching in s4 and every episode of s4 was so dramatic with a crazy cliffhanger that left you shocked. Thats how I felt after Dan's revelation. I loved it. I'll hate it if they kill Dan. Im sure it'll bring good storylines, but the idea of not seeing him anymore makes so sad. I love the character and I've always felt like they made him as the invincible guy. I know he's done terrible things but I still love the guy and I do believe he is being genuine about changing. I've believed it since s4. I understand Nathan's reluctance and anger towards Dan though. At the same time I wouldn't be suprised if it was some huge bluff as well. Oh god that might be an even better storyline than him actually dying. Anyways I'm reaaally looking forward to this storyline.

The Brooke/Angie storyline is growing on me. I think once she has to send the baby back she'll realize that she's not ready for a baby. I really want owen to come back to so Brooke can finally have her own guy.

Something I didn't like about the episode was when Brooke told Jamie he's the reason she got Angie eventhough she didnt really know him until she came back to Tree Hill. Also she told Peyton that the baby was the reason she came back.

Don't let the comments get to you guys. I think you guys are equally critical of Brooke and Peyton. Sometimes your 'mean' to brooke sometimes your 'mean' to peyton.

Okay maybe it was just me and my friends but did anyone else get the feeling the clown was Tim!!! i don't know why but it reminded me of season one's boy toy episode!!lol

my thoughts :

1.I thought the ending scene was sad and it was heartbreaking.Nathan has his reasons for being harsh;but i think dan really is going to change and it do think he really DOES have a heartproblem.remember last week?when he saw nathan,lucas and jamie in the hospital?i think he might have been checking his heart..(even though we all thought he was stalking)

2.BrookeLucasAngie was adorable .full stop.

3.The creepyclown and deb was soo.odd. isn't she supposed to be a nannie or something?yep..being in a closet with a clown with big feet(wtf) probably cancels the whole 'taking care of children thing'.well better her than Carrie.

4.I love it that they mentioned the fan name 'Naley' in it.:D

5.I thought Lucas was really cute this week.The whole shirt thing was ridiculous but ridiculously cute.I am just happy he KNOWS what he wants this week.Cause he was pissing me off this season.

I think this was a great podcast; you all managed to not offend any fan bases, yet still give solid opinions. I have to agree that the Brucas scenes were very sweet, but I still hold out hope for Lucas to reclaim his love for Peyton. I think their love won't ever truely go away.

On another note, I think that some of the comments here are getting ridiculous. With all this blame on Jackie, Sara, and Mia, they are allowed to have opinons and because it is their podcast they can share their opinons. Some fans need to cool their jets.

Lastly, some Brucas fans that commented before me are bashing Peyton and I think that we should keep things civil here. Bashing is pretty lame guys... Peyton is a great character.

i think you guys get a little too critical sometimes.
i mean, the whole deb thing?
calm down, it's supposed to be funny!

Mia, its hard to discuss LP and BL without getting into HUGE fights about it. There are two VERY passionate fan bases. I myself can have civil convos with LPers, as I had alot of them this past weekend at the Charity Game. I do feel sorry for you 3 because you are being put in the middle of it all. I already stated in my post that I do not want anything romantic to happen with BL right now. Lucas needs to work out his feelings for Lindsey and whatever the whole Peyton thing is. For now I am loving the BL friendship we are getting, just like season 2. But you have to understand that Brucas fans have been waiting and longing for something, anything for the past 2 years. And we finally got it on Monday, so to us it was the biggest thing in the world. At first I was even like OMG they need to be together, but then after I calmed down and came to my senses I realized NO they can't be together, YET, they just need to be friends for now. But I def. can see it growing into more down the road, WAY down the road, and I really hope that it happens. Because for me Brucas are meant to be, period.

I really hope the next podcast you girls don't hold anything back, I know it can get REALLY ugly with the BL vs. LP but it can be alot of fun too! Just state your opinions and don't take anything personally, that is how I get through it!! ;)

Yo, sup guys.

Good podcast. Not your best, but it was good. I really like the 5x09-5x11 podcasts. You girls really had me laughing in those. I think I listened to them 5 times or more. Haha. But your latest have been so serious... I miss the little funny thouch you guys had.

Very much BL vs. LP though, I see. Im a hardcore BL fan, but I don't feel the need for them to be talked about all the time. I like listening to argumtents LP'ers have. Even though I disagree and sometimes even get angry because I get so engaged in the case. I love to discuss so. I wish you guys... maybe discussed it more. I liked listening to BL'ers vs. LP'ers.

Im convinced that Brooke and Lucas are meant to be. No one can change that, and that is my opinion. I don't need you guys to have the same. It's OK for you to voice your opinions. Be harsh with both LP and BL. Make it interesting. :D

I don't get either why some people think that Brooke is not ready to be a mom ! Some people have problem with their own child sometimes , but that don't mean they can't be parents ! c'mon !
She's doing a great job with Angie , even if the baby cries a lot but , some of you guys who are saying that she is not ready is just stupid ,but i know that everybody is allowed to say what he thinks.. okay the storyline was fast and everything but she has the baby since almost two days , she is not perfect , she is human ! she can do some mistake , she don't know everything about babies !

And the brucas scene was absolutely amazing ! they were so cute together ! i'm a brucas fan since season 1 and still one ! Just waiting for them to be together again ! and some of you who were saying " way too much brucas " don't really know what they are talking about , we had , what ? 4 brucas scenes in the episode ? and the beginning of the seaosn was all about LP ...

Ay dios mio! I don't know where everyone is coming from in thinking that we hate Brucas!! Just because we said that we don't think Mark intended for them to be together romantically in THIS episode doesn't mean we aren't open to possibilities. It also doesn't mean that we are ignoring anything that happened in their past. Same thing goes for Leyton. Also, keep in mind, if anything were to happen right now, it wouldn't be legit since Lucas just got left at the altar and that night was trying to get Lindsay back into "their" house. Brucas fans shouldn't want anything to happen right away, otherwise it'll be major reboundage (for both of them actually). But hey, if Brooke and Lucas end up together down the road, cool beans! I'm sure it'll be super juicy storylines down the road if that were to happen. Oh the drama!

In terms of the Brooke baby plotline, just because we dislike (some of us more than others) this decision and feel like it makes no sense in realistic terms, doesn't mean that we hate Brooke! We love Brooke, we want her to be happy. Just because we don't think she's ready for a baby yet doesn't mean she couldn't turn into a great mom. Yes, most mothers go through this after having their first child, however, like Sarah said, most mothers also have time to prepare and really think about things throughout the 9 months of being pregnant instead of just having a baby dropped off right away.

Marc, our superstar commenter, I agree with you, we did play it safe in this last podcast, and people still somehow misinterpreted how we feel about things. So, no more ms. nice girl (as if I ever was really). *insert evil, but very loving laugh*

What is up with all the Brooke hate? Why do you guys dislike her? It comes off as if you guys almost hate her.

I disagree with what you guys said about Brooke. I am not saying this because I am a huge Brooke Davis/Brucas fan. Though I understand that to you it might seem like it.

I was sceptical about the baby storyline, but Mark really saved his ass with the way he handeled it. Brooke not ready to be a mom? Excuse me, but I feel like no one is ready to be a mom. You can never prepare enough. Most moms is scared the first time. Most moms freaks out. Most moms complaines from time to time. That does not mean they should not get a baby. Everyone goes through the same stuff Brooke goes through, considering the fact that she is now a single mom. Baby Angie is a try-out... I think Brooke is handling things quite fine.

I can't wait for you girls to watch season 2 and 3 of One Tree Hill. You have a lot to look forward too. But I kind of the picture that you somehow do not want Brooke and Lucas together whatsoever? It is a little unclear to me. I just want to know if all you girls are pro LP'ers.

I understand that to you Brucas fans might seem hard to deal with, because we basically say the same things over and over; Lucas is the one for Brooke, he admitted it, they had a perfect build up, Peyton ruined it all... yadda yadda yadda. But before you guys rip your hair off with these comments, you have to consider that we have been longing for them for 6-7 episodes now. It was about time we got something. LP has always excited, but Brucas just dissapeared...

Season 2 and 3 are amazing. You will see why Brucas fans are Brucas fans. You will feel the love, you will feel the heartbreak and you will feel our pain. Only if you watch it open minded that is.

I know you try to be open minded about everything. But I am sorry. I don't feel like you are. Whenever there is something positive about Brooke and Lucas, you always seem to drag it down, and somehow talk negative about them. Or just make comments that is not really appreciated among Brucas fans. Is that because you do not really like Brucas fans because they/we seem so... angry?

There is a lot of things I do not like because of the fans. I was just wondering if you feel the same? Since you did not look forward to the comments. Give Brucas a chance, and check out season 2 and 3.

I alwyas listen to your podcasts. You girls are awesome! But try to be openminded about everything. Of course you are allowed to voice your opinion. But try not to be so negative.

Hugs and kisses. <3

Bring brucas back!!
they have such an amazing chemistry!!
there are perfect match,perfect family!!

great laley scene!!
and breyton friendship is so funny and great!!

This was most definitely my favorite episode thus far and I have reason to believe I wont be disappointed in the future =) The Brucas scenes were so amazing, I don't know how to put them into words. I agree with what most people on the board are saying... and not so much with the podcast itself, but that's okay.

I do think that at this point they are just really good friends, but that's the basis for any great relationship. Brooke definitely still has feelings for him. He finally came through on the promise of saving her, took him 5 years, but he did it. As much as I love independent Brooke, I have to admit I loved watching every minute of him being there for her like she's always been there for him.

I can't reiterate this enough, but you have to watch season 2 and 3 and even the last half of 1 to understand Brooke and her feelings towards Lucas. Yes, you guys are totally capable of commenting on what is happening now but since, other than what you've heard, you haven't seen any of the 2 seasons of Brucasness (or even any LPness), you really can't know. If I came into this show at this point, I don't even know if I would know that Brucas ever existed. I'd assume that LP were always together, not that they got together for half of senior year and their whole relationship has always been based on lies and betrayal. I really do look forward to these podcasts so I don't want to gals to think I'm against you or anything, I just really think you can't know unless you've seen it.

Anyways, I am a little upset with all the hard feelings towards Brooke as a mother. Reality check, she's acting like any first time mother and there's nothing wrong with that. I do think she didn't really know what she was getting herself into but she's dealing and learning just like any parent would, regardless of how month preparation they did before the baby arrived. After this, if she choses to have another baby, more power to her, and if she doesn't, that's fine too.

Peyton, she still managed to annoy me even though she wasn't so bad. You want sleep Peyt? Cool, stop leeching and get your own place, then you can paint the walls black and the only sounds you'll be hearing are the emo ones coming from your speakers. Isn't she supposed to be a pro when it comes to babies? She had no problem with taking care of Jenny when she was sick, or was that because she had Jenny's daddy to flirt with. Apparently a "best friend" doesn't receive the same help.... and this wasn't in this episode but can she maybe do something for herself for once in terms of music? First Haley finds Mia and Peyton walks away from with the praise and now Haley herself comes to her to record an album. Oh, and the admitting to be in love with the idea of Lucas rather than him completely- no duh! I wonder if she'll ever stop saying she's gonna let go and actually do it and stop moaning?! Brooke gave him up for Peyton even though she still loved him but we don't hear her complaining- that's my job darn it!

Anyways, Jamie and Angie- man was I gushing! ...and Dan, I want to believe he's changed and deserves a second chance, but I know better... Deb was just being crazy, hopped up on pills, circa season 2, 3, and 4 Deb! Lindsey, I like her, she's genuine and she really does love Lucas and like Brooke, she doesn't didn't deserve to have Peyton but in but what can you do? I'd be ok if they ended up together, which I know wont happen, but it would actually make sense because they were together for 2 years without any major hiccups ...which is something no one else came claim with Lucas.

Oh, and for the people bringing up Chophia- get over it! Sophia might not have been pro Chad after filming that one scene last Friday but they were laughing and talking before the scene. He even threw his arm around her when she cracked up at one of his jokes or something. They knew what they were getting themselves into, and like Mark said, they'll have to do whatever he says, so don't make that any excuse for why LP should be together. If anything, it's CS's chemistry that the show should be playing up.

I'm still thinking Mark is throwing us bones because of all the hate he was getting, but after the CG and all the spoilers I've read, I don't care. I can't wait to see all the upcoming episodes for all the BL scenes!

Hiba - just because I don't like the storyline and think Brooke isn't doing well, doesn't mean I'm 10. And npobody said she is not meant to be a mom at all but you have to admit that they behaved dumb when they couldn't figure out what was wrong with her. And about the realistic part in this one - yeah the storyline is really realistic. LOL In real life it wouldn't be that easy to get this chance and first of all they would have given her some instructions because if she is sick she needs to be looked after in a special way, you know? IMO the storyline is stupid and I guess we wouldn't have it, if it wasn't for the strike. Well I hope Owen will return. ;)because they made a cute couple and he was a decent guy who was interested in her.

Everyone that is saying that BL are great as friends, do you remember season 2? They were "just friends." Then BAM! Lucas admits that he wants more. And Brooke was shocked because all along, she thought he was in love with Peyton. But he tells her Peyton is not in his heart. He tells her that again in season 3. And in season 4, the only time Lucas went to be with Peyton was when Brooke left him, acted like she fell out of love with him so he wouldn't go after her like he always did, and told him to "GOOO" (to Peyton) at the state championship. Don't be so quick to BL off your list. It's clear that Brooke isn't over Lucas (see Lucas and Lindsey's wedding, where she looked at him sadly as the priest said "you can't help who you fall in love with. It just happens").

Those saying Lucas and Peyton are meant to be and that Lucas is hiding his feelings for Peyton... LMAO! Lucas is clearly IN LOVE with Lindsey! He's NOT hiding his feelings! He's been very clear about them. Lucas doesn't need to wake up. You do (no offense)!

Nobody knows where this is going. It has been made clear several times by the writers, producers, and actors.

I use to hate Brucas with a passion, but they were kind of cute last night, as friends, that is. Just as long as they don't become romantic, I can tolerate seeing them with eachother.

Jamie was fantastic, as always. This kid steals the show every time.

Peyton was great, as well. The first part was so funny especially with the pre-Amy Whinehouse Rehab comment. She looked very hot and gorgeous this episode; yes, even in the morning! She will always be the highlight of every episode for me.

Deb was hilarious with that clown. Funniest part of the episode. Crazy Deb is made of so much WIN.

I'm not sure what to think of Dan. But yes, I agree with you girls about killing Dan off. He is a huge element of the show and I guarantee you all that One Tree Hill would lose a great spark if they do decide to rid of him. And plus, even though I'm not fond of the character, Paul is definitely the best actor among the entire cast; ironically, he makes Dan, probably the most unrealistic character (in terms of traits), to be the most convincing.

Good job on the podcast, ladies!

Best part of the episode was Haley resurrecting her clown fear. Second was Dan saying something about pills to Deb.

As for the Brucas thing, I don't know. Personally, I can't stand Lucas in general and I tend to like Brooke better than Peyton, so I guess I lean more Brucas. But the couch thing, I didn't take it so much as they were getting back together or that they were destined or anything. Brooke was asking Lucas if this was how he wanted his life to turn out or something. And then there it was in front of her: Lucas with the baby, Brooke working on her hugely successful fashion line. It was everything she had wished for back when she was younger, and I don't think she has entirely let that go. More than Peyton, right now I think that Brooke is the one in love with the idea of Lucas. She loves the guy he is, she loves the person he brings out in her, and she loves how he takes care of her. Brooke is lost and he's around and when she's with her she finds comfort because it is familiar and just because it's him.

I hope they don't get together because of all the repercussions it would bring. Brooke being Lucas's rebound would be bad for her and bad for all of their friends. And speaking of friends, Peyton and Brooke would be done now for good. They're too old now to survive another love triangle. ...Unless if Brooke goes to Peyton now and says that she still has feelings for Lucas and Peyton slaps Brooke and says she's a backstabbing two-faced b*tch circa the Season 3 final, which would be more than hysterical.

brucas so owns and i like peyton when shes not with lucas.

And i saw pics of sophia and chad behind the scenes and they were acting really friendly towrds each other.

Ok I am pretty much in agreement with everyone else, BLA stole the show. I agree with the fact that they are just friends right now, really great friends and I am LOVING IT!!! It reminds me soo much of season 2, when they were just there for each other and supported each other through everything. I do not want Brucas in a romantic relationship at all right now. I think Lucas has to resolve his feelings for Lindsey, because I do believe he is in love with her and I feel soo bad for him. And also the whole Leyton thing needs to be worked out too. Love the fact that Peyton admitted that she might just be in love with the idea of her and Lucas. I think that is so true. I feel bad for her because I think she is trying to move on with her life but everyone else keeps pulling her back into the world of Lucas. Let the poor girls move on, she deserves better. And I'm not just saying that b/c I want Brucas together, I really think Peyton can do better than just sitting around and pinning for Lucas, who obviously doesn't want her. Once again I am so sick of people saying Lucas is in denial about his love for Peyton and that he needs to "wake up". I think every one needs to open their eyes and see that Lucas isn't IN love with Peyton, yeah he loves her and he always will but he is IN love with Lindsey. I'm really sad to see Lindsey go, she has grown on me soo much these last couple of episodes.

As for Dan, I don't know what to think. Yeah he killed Keith and I will never forgive him for it but I feel like he is trying here and Jamie really wants to get to know him. I really don't know I'm glad I'm not in Naley's shoes. And yes they have been called Naley before, ever since season 2 actually. And people have been saying that Haley screwed up by saying Antwon, since that is the actors name in real life, well Antwon is also Skills' real name on the show too, she has called him that before.

Deb and the creepy clown, yeah I could have went without that.

As for Brooke, I am loving this story line. Of course she is going to have problems, its the first time she has ever cared for a baby. I think what Brooke is doing is very noble, I wouldn't be able to just take in a sick baby to take care of it until she gets better and then send her back home. It is going to be soo hard for Brooke.

I love the fact that in their time of need Brooke and Lucas turn to each other, I thinks its always been like that. I know Sarah and Mia haven't seen season 2 yet but when you do watch it you will understand what everyone is talking about. Lucas and Brooke were soo close and such great friends and always there for each other. And of course it led to more in season 3 b/c they fell in love with each other. I can see that happening again. I agree right now its just a friendship (although I do believe Brooke has more feelings than that for Lucas) but I can totally see it growing into something more. We will just have to wait and see.

And for everyone who says Brooke would be a bad friend if she wanted to be with Lucas, umm did we forget what Peyton did to Brooke in season 1 AND season 3?!? But even with that said I wouldn't want Brooke to do anything with Lucas until the whole Leyton thing is resolved. I do NOT want the triangle again. I was Peyton to move on with her like, maybe even contact Jake (God I love me some Jeyton) and then Lucas and Brooke gradually fall in love once again. And when Lucas said "i would appreciate the things I took for granted" every one knows that the biggest thing he took for granted back in high school was his relationship with Brooke, both times.

As for the Chad and Sophia thing, well actually I'm not even going to go there. I know Sophia doesn't want Brucas to happen and Chad well he is kinda neutral, but Mark said that he will write what he feels is right no matter their personal opinions on it. And they will do what he writes no matter how they feel about it. They are professionals and it is their job. I do feel bad to some extent but they chose to be in a relationship with their co-star, the fans and show should not have to be punished because of that.

I'm just going to sit back and enjoy these amazing BL moments, because I have been waiting 2 years for them. And hope that it will grow into more down the road!! All good things BL...

Marc -- I don't think any of us are afraid to say what we think, but we are aware of when we're going to say something that will prompt discussion. It doesn't stop us, of course, but it's funny to us to predict what will make people mad.

Anonymous -- I don't think there was any Brooke parenthood hatred. I can't speak for the others, but I was glad that they were realistic with Brooke and Angie. It's nothing that Brooke is doing wrong -- it's just that babies are hard. Before, I got the impression that she wanted a baby to fit some picture in her head of perfect love and family. Now, she knows what it really involves, and that's projectile vomit and no sleep for at least 6 months. If she decides that's what she wants now, fine, but at least now she's informed.

You guys put Brooke into this ONE Dimensional Box of her Being just a selfish and shallow party girl. (e/c is completely NOT TRUE) and When she doesn't follow that limited expectations of her you guys hate her for it.

Again, I'm not sure where you're getting that. I love that Brooke has this incredible career, built a company for herself, supports her friends, had the strength of character to get rid of her mom when she realized Victoria was sucking her dry, all the rest. I DON'T like it when she's just a party girl. One of the reasons I loved the Owen/Brooke relationship is that he challenged Brooke -- sure, you're hot and rich and famous, but so what? What's underneath all that? Who are you really?

Anonymous/BrucasLover -- I give Peyton a pass on not being perfectly supportive for Angie, since she hadn't slept in three days, either, and this baby thing was just dropped in her lap. I get the same way when I'm helping take care of the nieces and nephew. I love them, they're adorable, dear god why don't they understand I need to SLEEP?

Also, I don't know how much more positive we could have been about the last scene. They were adorable. It was sweet. What else do you want?

Eve -- Nah, Brooke is way too good a character to exile to NYC. Maybe Mouth...

Brucas freaking owned the episode! I bow down to baby Angie for being so adorable and perfect on Lucas' chest! And guess what, Lp'ers, you need more proof that Brooke is still in love with Lucas...why would she continue to sleep on his couch with him and her baby, she could have easily woken up and decided to leave but she didn't. Brucas is forever, they're making their perfect comeback :)

Brucas and Angie are the perfect family...they're like Naley and Jamie, they all complete each other.

Basically, 5.15 was the best this season and BL is love, I feel bad for LP'ers because you got no Leyton scenes but also, I'm glad we didn't for me because I'm sick of the show being revolved around them. It's stupid to do that, there are 5 chacracters and they all deserve great storylines. Enough said :)

LUCAS AND PEYTON ARE MEANT TO BE!
Peyton and Brooke were fun together!
You are so right - Peyton was hilarious! I'm glad you guys have finally come around!
Brooke and Lucas are so much better as friends. Owen is a much better love interest for her. Brucas is over and Brooke would not do that. She's the biggest Leyton supporter!
Haley's reaction to the clown was great! Deb's not so much - ugh!
Haley and Peyton scenes are sweet!
Skills was so cute with NH & Jamie and he and Peyton make great friends.

If Brooke is doing good with the baby then I'm Mother Theresa. Come on, she is not prepared at all but well it's probably because this happened in like a week? well mothers usually have 9 months to prepare themselves and belive it or not but not every mother behaves like Brooke. Why are you crying, don't cry and she just smiles at the baby and you know babies cry not only if they are sad...I didn't hear anybody say she is a terrible mother or will always be but she is clearly having problems with the girl and keeping everything under control.

And btw: too much Brucas? yeah right, one epsiode, soooo much, if there is no Leyton and one scene of Brucas it is already too much, come on...

I hope Lucas won't be if B or L, this would be so unrealistic, really. and I would give up if they return to LP or BL because that would be just wrong and unfair to the viewers, all of them, IMO they got to deep into this whole Lindsey thing you know?

First of all, I floved the episode. The best one this season IMO. Brooke trying to be a mother is soooo sweet and adorkable and heartwarming. The NHJ scenes were AMAZING. I flove that family. the Peyton/Brooke scenes were soooooo adorkable. LOLZ first time I actually enjoyed them this season. the whole Brooke being pro L!P! CHEATING Cheerleader was just...crap IMO. I want their friendship to be about something OTHER than Lucas, dammit!!

Speaking of which, I really do love this storyline with him and Lindsey. Not because I'm an LL fan, but more because I really enjoy that the writers are showing his maturity by not making him as fickle as he was before. He's been with Lindsey for TWO STRAIGHT DEVOTED YEARS. And he met and fell in love with her ONE YEAR AFTER HE BROKE UP WITH PEYTON. If he goes back to P so suddenly, I'll lmao. B/c Then I'll know for a fact that at a moments notice, at a drop of a coin, he'll just move right on to the next flavour of the half-year. Kudos to the writers for not doing that.

Now the BLA scenes were absolue FLOVE. I love how they were just soooo comfortable around each other. They weren't even TRYING to make it look romantic, there was just so much CHEMESTRY pouring out of the screen. I really enjoyed their last talk at the end of the episode. And the way Lucas was encouraging Brooke and reasuring her about Angie. He's right, everyone starts out by not knowing what they're doing.

Which brings me to the bad:

"SO just because Brooke is having hard time with the baby it means that she's not meant to be a Mom?"

EXACTLY!!! Its comments like these that make me wonder about the demographic of this show. If its a bunch of 9 or 10 year olds, then Mark should definitely cut back on the "Cheating for true wuv is GOOD" and "you should drive through red lights".

People, GROW UP. You hate Brooke? Well that's great for you but be a little more realistic/logical when it comes to a storyline.

and the "too much brooke" comment...sorry that its no longer the L!P! hour. Now you know how us B anti-LP drama viewers have felt for...the whole series.

hopefully brucas will happen in the future. they make such a great family. and to the turd saying too much brucas, that's a laugh because we hardly got any brucas at ALL this season except for flashbacks and maybe one real recent meeting of the two great friends (for now).

if anything we need MORE BRUCAS! they complete each other.

brooke would never say she loves the idea of lucas or it's half and half, judging by what she has said about him in the past, it's ALL love for lucas.

brucas > leyton :)

i also agree about jamie who can carry out an entire episode pretty much. great addition to OTH!

BRUCAS was amazingggggggggggg. <3

Perfect Family.

Brucas so owned this episode, I really liked it even if it's friendship or romantically. I liked this episode and it was really, really good and it rocked.

I was kind of disappointed that you were afraid to talk about some things cause you were afraid you might get bashed but it's really whatever, I mean you win some, you lose some. It's not always going to be an I love Brooke podcast and it's not always going to an I love Peyton podcast. But it's your opinion if you hated say you hated and if you loved it say you loved it, I missed that with you guys, you seem to be playing it safe now.

This was a great podcast, all three of you rock even if others say you differently. I always be all of yours number one fan. Lol!

Sorry, I forgot to say something in my other post.

Everyone that is saying they don't want Brucas uses this as part of their reasoning: because they feel awkward watching Chad and Sophia and feel bad for them for having to act together.

Why?

Brucas was together all of season 3, and the beginning of that season was the exact year Chophia split up! And Sophia used to say in interviews that they were "professional" together.

Now, 3 year later, Sophia says they are "friends, just like everyone else on set," not "professional." And now, you say that it's weird! If anything, it's probably a little more comfortable now.

I have seen pictures and videos and heard stories from extras that they look like best friends on set.

I think it's just an excuse that some Leyton fans are using to justify the reason Brucas can't be together. They would "feel bad for the actors" if Brucas got back together, therefore, Leyton should be together.

Brooke & Lucas OWNED the episode!

I just wanted to point out that the way Brucas started IN SEASON 1 was when Lucas was helping Brooke take care of a drugged Peyton. He realized how caring and strong she was and what a big heart she had, and then, Brucas began.

Now, he's realizing that ALL OVER AGAIN.

And when they need to know that they're doing great or that they will be OK, they always turn to each other.

One thing is for sure... neither Brooke nor Peyton are over Lucas. I know some people don't think Brooke still has feelings for him, but it's clear to Brucas fans (maybe others just fog out the signs). When you let someone go (like Brooke did for Lucas) to be with someone else (Peyton) because you have a feeling they are meant to be (because everyone says it), THAT is the "most perfect act of love" as Peyton said. And the difference between Brooke's sacrifice and Peyton's "sacrifice" is that Peyton told Lucas she was letting him go, whereas Brooke pretended she was no longer in love with him so he wouldn't fight for her. Also, Brooke let him go. Peyton said she would stop trying to steal him from Lindsey (like she did from Brooke). It's clear which sacrifice is more noble and true.

Brooke said, even when she wasn't with Lucas, that she would always love him. And in the flashback episode this season, when they kissed in the hotel, you could tell how it made her feel. She got choked up and left. She then jumped into her work to mend her broken heart (like she did when they broke up, and like she told Lucas to do). She said that Lucas Scott is the one boy I would have given everything up for (whereas Peyton wouldn't give up her work to be engaged to him). I am not saying Peyton should have given it all up... but I think it shows loads about the distance Brooke would go for Lucas (she let him go and she would have given it all up for him).

I hope the writers aren't just throwing Brucas scenes in there to silence the Brucas fans.

As Mark Schwahn recently said in an interview: everyone seems to think that just because we designed a Lucas and Peyton world, that is how it will be in the end. That is not necessarily true.

And as Lisa Goldstein (Millicent) recently said in an interview: the writers really do not know who they will make Lucas be with in the end.

I was proud of Peyton for finally admitting what we all already know... part of her not wanting to let go of Leyton is because she doesn't want to let go of their memory and the idea of what they were or could have been!

Everything else was great! Great podcast.

Brooke/Lucas/Baby Angie OWNED. Finally we see the BL friendship we saw in S2 back. And this is why BL are meant to be because they just feel natural together. Of course it will take time as Lucas is still in love with Lindsey but I do see a romantic comeback of Brucas in S6. Peyton even admitted she is also in love with the "idea" of Lucas and that tells me they're not meant to be. Move on Peyton, thank you. Find a guy you're not only loving the idea about... like JAKE.

Brooke is doing a good job with Angie and I don't know what you girls expect from her!? Every first time "mother" struggle in the beginning and I think it's something every new mother has to go through. That's what make it natural and realistic. I mean do you girls expect her to be some sort of super-mom right from the start? It's a new situation and it's life-changing so of course it's gonna take some time to adjust and just because she's having a hard time about Angie crying all the time and so on doesnt mean she's not ready or that she's a horrible mother. She's a good mother and she's doing a good job with baby Angie.

Jamie is awesome with every character.

A good episode. And I can't wait to see what will happen with Brucas. I feel good stuff coming!

The ending scene with Brooke+Lucas+Angie sleeping in the couch was a picture perfect moment. Just so natural and it felt like I was looking at married couple with their child.

Kudos to Chad and Sophia for their amazing job together.

Dan should not be allowed to see Jamie. I would like to believe Dan is changed and is changing and all that but history just isn't on his side. For the past 4 seasons I've had hope for Dan and each season he lets me down. It's quite sad. Do I think he'd ever do anything to Jamie ... not intentionally, but it's Dan and all the evil he does isn't always intentional. Dan is great as an evil person but I've given up hope on him being redeemed, at least not in my eyes.
I have to say that this episode for some reason reminded me of so many tidbits and little things throughout the past seasons. Like when Skills used Naley. It's seen so much on the internet but it really did originate in the land of OTH. I think it was Peyton who started it. And the fact it was Jamies birthday reminded me of his birth and the graduation. And even when Haley called Skills Antwan. It reminded me of "Picture of You".
And as for you ladies ... you shouldn't care if your comments offend any fans. They don't have to listen if they don't want to and they don't have to comment if they don't want to and they shouldn't comment if they won't at least censor what they are willing to say.
Personally, I think the Brooke/Lucas scene was heart warming but was nothing more than a friend leaning on another friend. I don't know why you guys don't seem to think Lucas would be good with kids even though he does have a baby sister even if we never really get to see their interaction.
Anyway .. until next podcast, ladies were entertaining as always.

The episode was boring. Way too much Brooke. Her storyline is absurd. Just disappear back to New York please!

Too much Brucas. I will give up on this show if we get anything happening between these two. Can you say boring or "so high school" - As Brooke would say ;-)

Haley Rocked!
Nathan Rocked!
Peyton Is An Angel!
Skillz is my new BFF!

That is all.

Brucas and baby Angie owned that episode. They were so adorale on the couch, like a REAL FAMILY <3

Eww you guys scared me by talking about the clown. those things scare the crap out of me LMAO and OMG Skillz saying Peyton has no butt best line of the night lol Brooke yeah I like that she's seeing how hard it is to be a mom because i'm 23 with a godson and i really am always nervous to be alone with him lol NH were cute and Jamie 's always cute. Lucas was OK loved the Peyton/Haley scene. I felt Haley was looking out for Peyton at that moment. Its the first time I felt that coming from Haley.
You guys cracked me up in this podcast just keep up the great work.

I love Brucas! They have such a good chemistry! I really think "true, hot love", when I see them together.
I support Brucas all the way. And Brooke is a good mother.

Brooke & Lucas were the highlight of the episode. I have been a Brucas fan since Season 1 and still hold out hope for a reunion, these two BELONG together! GO BRUCAS

Jamie was so so so cute, I love this little guy and the scene with Haely, loved it.

I agree on Brooke - she is totally not ready to be a mother at this point. and the girls didn't say she couldn't be a mother at all but not now. And I totally agree. I was sittin and I was like: maybe you two would check if she is hungry or wet? and I didn't like that Peyton didn't know what to do, she was so good looking after Jenny on season 1. But again: Brooke isn't ready for being a mom and lets be honest she should buil a family with a guy and not be alone, she knows how difficult it is to live in a family without parents and so on.

Personally I didn't see anything romantic about Brucas. The scene was cute but to me it showed them more as friends and supporters then lovers. And I'm not A Leyton-fan for that matter. ;) GO JEYTON. :P

I don't know what to think about Dan...he always lied and was always manipulative. Time will tell. But I don't think he should expect them to forgive him everything.

Giving Jamie a cheque was so stupid. I mean he is five and she gives him money?? he should have given it to Haley and say f.ex.: buddy you go with your mom and pick whatever you want or design a cute jersey for him.

Skills - agree on the part about the girls, although it was totally Skills it was inappropriate. I also think that he shouldn't meddle so much in LP. Peyton tries to move on and he talks to her all those things?

Lindsey - I hope she isn't gone for good because I really liked her and am a fan of Michaelas acting. and also I felt for the time that Lucas was honest about his feelings, you know? I felt sorry for him but again he didn't do much about it and choosing the rigth sure, well that want help. And as Lindsey said: love isn't enough.

Peyton is gettng more and more herself this season. Finally. She looked so hilarious with the hair: pre rehab Amy Winehous, LOL I didn't get why she was so apologetic, I mean she doesn't know why Lindsey went away, she just feels bad about how she behaved but she already apologized for that and like Lindsey said: I could have said yes.

Loved Haley/Lucas scenes.

And Naley was mentioned for example in season 3 ep. 18 if I remember correctly. "You went totally Naley on me" or sth like that. ;)

Oh and Deb - wtf was that? was she also in a prison and needed a guy or what? That was just creepy abd the clown, ewww.

I just loved the last scene with Brucas. They where a family. I think that you kind of overshadowed that scene. I think that they might be a couple again. You guys are leyton fans, so I hope that you make sure that you "plus"little more Brucas talk. I feel like Brucas scenes do also need to be "really talked" about.
And it is not the first time somebody call nathan & haley, Naley. Brooke has called them that is season 3 and in season 5.
And I feel like your always triyng to say something bad about Brooke:S I don`t know. I felt like peyton was not that supportive to Brooke as Lucas was, with the baby stuff. And I`m 100% sure that if that last scene with Brucas had been with Leyton, you would have said so uch more and positive stuff about that scene.
Sorry, that it was a lot of negative stuff about this podcast. I usually look forward to your podcasts, and I really like them. But not the last one.

I don't get the Brooke Parenthood Hatred. I really don't.

SO just because Brooke is having hard time with the baby it means that she's not meant to be a Mom?

EVERY MOTHER GOES THROUGH what she Goes through in the beginning of PARENTHOOD.

It's Growing Pains.

All mothers feel Helpless, Scared, OVERWHELMED and completely Exhausted when a baby first arrives.

It doesnt mean that they shouldn't have kids.

NO ONE IS EVER PREPARED for PARENTHOOD no matter how stable and well adjusted they air.

I love the Brooke storyline.

You can see Brooke grow and develop.

It challenges her as a character.

THe one that I like about Brooke the best is she is not afraid to take RISKS.

And she has a HUGE HEART.

The thing that I hate about the collective opinion on the podcasts is that you guys put Brooke into this ONE Dimensional Box of her Being just a selfish and shallow party girl. (e/c is completely NOT TRUE) and When she doesn't follow that limited expectations of her you guys hate her for it.

And the thing that I love about Brooke and Lucas is they BRING OUT THE BEST IN EACH OTHER.

They don't Mope around and whine about the WHAT IF's when they're together.

I can't say the same about the Self-Pity and the GAWDAWFUL amount of Whining that Peyton and Lucas go through when they are together.

I liked the ending scenes between Lucas and Brooke; however, every time I see them together, I feel a little awkward and wonder how the actors feel, given their real life history.

I loved the Brucas and I really love how they fell asleep... hopefully, it is a hint for the things to come.